Rogue US soldier kills Afghans.

In what seems to be a reversal from what we normally hear about, it seems a US GI has turned his rifle on Afghan civilians...
BBC News

Couple of thousand more like him, Job sorted, Sorry but ive just had enough of that lot,

GI's and friendly fire ? nothing new there !

betty swollocks wrote:GI's and friendly fire ? nothing new there !

hey sweaty, thats a grand tongue you got there, mmm. could you be one our good friend is refering to?

Oh well.

Very sad but nobody in their right mind would do that - just shows the amount of pressure he was under. I hope he receives the medical treatment he needs

Gypsy wrote:Very sad but nobody in their right mind would do that - just shows the amount of pressure he was under. I hope he receives the medical treatment he needs

I think they might have given him a medal this week in the west riding.

Gypsy wrote:Very sad but nobody in their right mind would do that - just shows the amount of pressure he was under. I hope he receives the medical treatment he needs

Oh didn't realise he got hurt too, now that is sad.

Topdog wrote:

Gypsy wrote:Very sad but nobody in their right mind would do that - just shows the amount of pressure he was under. I hope he receives the medical treatment he needs

Oh didn't realise he got hurt too, now that is sad.

Dont think he was hurt physically think he had a breakdown. Just as bad but you can´t see the wounds.

Gypsy wrote:

Dont think he was hurt physically think he had a breakdown. Just as bad but you can´t see the wounds.

I think he was being facetious .

betty swollocks wrote:

Gypsy wrote:Very sad but nobody in their right mind would do that - just shows the amount of pressure he was under. I hope he receives the medical treatment he needs

I think they might have given him a medal this week in the west riding.

they had a minutes silence at Leeds rugby,the lads photos were on the screen. very sad.

This happens quite regularly out there...Go to You-Tube and it is full of sickening things.
The top brass don't mind this type of thing and will make excuses for the particular soldier...A people under occupation need to be in fear and little episodes like this do no harm in their eyes.
Sadly more innocent people will meet their end at the hands of the occupation forces.

Spoken like a true Irishman. I said it on another post, its all because of the old boys network in particular between the USA and UK. They had no clear mandate ( I'm open to correction on this) to go into Afghanistan but good old George W wanted to kick some ass after 9/11. The soldiers there are just doing a job and being sent to their deaths by politicians (safe behind their desks). All that being said, it should come as no surprise that the native people will retaliate and turn to whatever organisation that stands up to the occupation, even if that same organisation were their former tyranical rulers. Its a no win situation all round

It is sad that innocent people die in this way and particularly kids but people having to do what soldiers have to, they will lose it sometimes. That soldier may well of previously saved thousands of lives by killing key persons. This is a war zone of which the many of the men of that country have enjoyed control over their women for years, many have backed the taliban (not saying these in particular) and then realised the chances of getting killed for following them are very high.
Yes the yanks are terrible for the friendly fire shite but again it will always happen in such difficult situations. This ain't the fault of any Soldier it is the situation we have allowed this world to be in.
Our governments don't give a monkeys about anyone than the old boys school, the religious nuts are just out to do what ever to harm anyone who does not follow them.
Here we go, Romans did the same.

Topdog wrote:It is sad that innocent people die in this way and particularly kids but people having to do what soldiers have to, they will lose it sometimes. That soldier may well of previously saved thousands of lives by killing key persons. This is a war zone of which the many of the men of that country have enjoyed control over their women for years, many have backed the taliban (not saying these in particular) and then realised the chances of getting killed for following them are very high.
Yes the yanks are terrible for the friendly fire shite but again it will always happen in such difficult situations. This ain't the fault of any Soldier it is the situation we have allowed this world to be in.
Our governments don't give a monkeys about anyone than the old boys school, the religious nuts are just out to do what ever to harm anyone who does not follow them.
Here we go, Romans did the same.

Of course its the fault of the soldier unless he is mentally not right...soldiers are trained to kill and handle pressure.
The excuses you use to try and defend it are shocking...people "MAY" have supported the taliban...what nonsense...collateral damage,more or less your saying.
Britain have NO right in that country and all they have done is to leave a legacy of hate which will come back to haunt them.
Afghanistan through the years has been a graveyard for major powers and this war has turn out no different.

So you think that training makes you alert of those type of pressures, wrong. Of course there are mental issues that is caused by the pressure of being a soldier, having to kill others, see mates killed, be away from loved ones. You have no idea by what you say. It is the Successive governments fault but it always will be.
Did Osama Bin Laden and his followers have a right to kill all the innocent people in New York or London. Did they have a right to go and cowardly hide in Afghan land using the people. Did the men of Afghan have a right to treat the women the way they did.
Should we have gone to Iraq, reckon if we hadn't we would be in a worse state. Should we have hunted down the Taliban, in all due respect what do you know about the military, of course we should, many more civilians would be dead if we hadn't.
Should we therefore allow our country be run by the likes of Abu Hansa, why not........in your eyes.

I you believe that Iraq would be in a worse state if your great liberators had not have went in,your mad...What treat was Hussein to world peace?none,but he had plenty of oil reserves.
In another tread you said YOU wanted the death penalty,yet over the invasions of these countries you have become very altruistic.
If you truly believe these wars are just wars for democracy and,better treatment of women ,then I respect your opinion.
But I believe it is a war for hegemony of the Middle-East.

And regarding your question about what do I know about "The Military".
I know my fair share about them.
Do I have to have been a tunnel rat in Vietnam to know about The Military and Military history.
I have eyes and ears and I read and listen.

Wow first really serious discussion on this forum.

Cant remember why we were there in the first place, so many reasons all a bit obscure. To ensure the stability of Afghanistan? Recent reports suggest the Taliban's influence is growing, the heroin trade is booming and the corrupt Karzai government has backed a stricter Islamic code against women. Those we have trained for police and security work are in bed with the Taliban and as soon as we leave things will be back to as they were. Have those 400 lives been sacrificed in vein. IMO yes It is time for the Afghans to fight for themselves instead of relying on other nations if they are unwilling to do so it will not be long before they are back under the Taliban's rule which it would seem many favour over the government.

CaribeCelt wrote:And regarding your question about what do I know about "The Military".
I know my fair share about them.
Do I have to have been a tunnel rat in Vietnam to know about The Military and Military history.
I have eyes and ears and I read and listen.

So first, have you been in the military, probably not so you may know how it works, but not what it does to a person.
Saddam Hussein was killing thousands, where is the oil for us if that is why we went in. Yes there are some wrong doings but something needed to be done. Y

I agree with Gypsy about getting out and I agree we should have done more from a distance, but we didn't, read properly, I said don't blame the bloody soldiers.
Death penalty for Child Killers and Murderers, sexual abusers, if without doubt there is guilt. Terrorists too if without doubt.
So gon then tell me about your involvement with the Middle East to be so protective over it. I see it that it is generally a very volatile area, very unsettled with massive divides within the countries.
I also see that we are being over taken in our own country by certain supporters of regime groups.
I don't believe we should be in the countries once we have given them the help they require, I also believe that some so called terrorist groups are no more than very tired activists.
What do I know above you though, I only served my country.

CaribeCelt wrote:I you believe that Iraq would be in a worse state if your great liberators had not have went in,your mad...What treat was Hussein to world peace?none,but he had plenty of oil reserves.
In another tread you said YOU wanted the death penalty,yet over the invasions of these countries you have become very altruistic.
If you truly believe these wars are just wars for democracy and,better treatment of women ,then I respect your opinion.
But I believe it is a war for hegemony of the Middle-East.

To play devil's advocate here, whats the alternative? To let Al Qaeda have a permanent hassle free base from which to carry out attacks across the western hemisphere? ( I know there is an argument that western foreign policy in general has led to the situation at present ) The western powers are trying to nip these attacks in the bud so, distasteful as it may be to some, they are only looking after their own interests. Personnally, I think the only solution is to tell the US to feck off and fight it's own wars without dragging another dozen countries into it. Its my honest opinion that all this shit will cease when the oil runs out.

Gypsy wrote:Wow first really serious discussion on this forum.

Cant remember why we were there in the first place, so many reasons all a bit obscure. To ensure the stability of Afghanistan? Recent reports suggest the Taliban's influence is growing, the heroin trade is booming and the corrupt Karzai government has backed a stricter Islamic code against women. Those we have trained for police and security work are in bed with the Taliban and as soon as we leave things will be back to as they were. Have those 400 lives been sacrificed in vein. IMO yes It is time for the Afghans to fight for themselves instead of relying on other nations if they are unwilling to do so it will not be long before they are back under the Taliban's rule which it would seem many favour over the government.

I think Afghanistan has become another Iraq. The "allied" forces invaded without having an exit strategy. Now what happens when they pull out, civil war most likely. The countries will be left in a worse state after than before.

Destroy the poppy fields and make it so they can't grow Poppy's again. Perhaps get them planting other useful crops with aid. The morphine grown there does not get used as medicine but as Heroin so get rid. Yes that may completely destroy their economy but it will also destroy a big part of the worlds drug trade, so a small price to pay.
I agree 3d, no exit policy, but is that a possibility when you have no known time scale.
The oil of Iraq is of no benefit to us or USA other than maybe controlling distribution.
USA had other goals which is being closer to Iran, mind you I expect others believe they are no threat to the World.

Good for you to get the priviledge of serving your country.
But I don't go for all that nationalistic garbage.
I am not overly protective of the middle east as such but I know when youg lads are getting stitched up to fight for queen and country when there was no threat to the country.
I also care for human beings and their welfare more than some rock we happen to have been born on and call Ireland and England.
My attitude to these things are maybe misplaced as I probably haven't seen the evil in the world,that you have,when you were away serving your country.

CaribeCelt wrote:Good for you to get the priviledge of serving your country.
But I don't go for all that nationalistic garbage.
I am not overly protective of the middle east as such but I know when youg lads are getting stitched up to fight for queen and country when there was no threat to the country.
I also care for human beings and their welfare more than some rock we happen to have been born on and call Ireland and England.
My attitude to these things are maybe misplaced as I probably haven't seen the evil in the world,that you have,when you were away serving your country.

It is a choice these days if you fight for your country and one of the risks are you may be killed. Now that is a sad company perk but reality.
The threat to this country is not from the people but the ones they are harbouring and believe me it is real.
I care for Human beings, would not have been prepared to offer my life to protect and still would but maybe just my family friends now.
The evil in the world is also real, but yes we have plenty within the western world. It is very fanatical and people have families held to make them do things in these other lands.
How about a Muslim woman being raped until she is worthless and told that the only way she can redeem her self and be cleansed is to be a human bomb and kill those that forced her own people to rape her. Brainwashed or held to ransom by a mere few very nasty fanatical people.
Many ae very nice and do not deserve to tarred with the same brush.

Mate,I don't want to get it to a slagging match with you.
Our opinions are polar opposites of each other and we will be going to and fro here all night with neither one of us budging an inch from our positions.
I respect your opinions and I enjoyed the debate.