Controversial but I totally agree

Why should ordinary people who work have to cut back when those who sit on their bums and claim benefits can drink and smoke MP Calls for law change

I have never claimed dole and think mp is right

Hmmm....not sure yet.

Seem to remember a similar scheme a while back , the difference was huge camps were built and the idea was that anyone who didn,t conform could be held in the camps and to pay for their lodgings their belongings ,gold fillings etc were taken and to save further expense they could be tossed into gas chambers and then sent up the chimney , no wonder these tories are an endangered species in Scotland[ rant over]

Benefits should be paid, but only if you have earned credits. Unless of course you are young and not had chance but work should be made available or a national service.
I do think those that are trying to earn and can't afford things due to everything costing more than average wage(real one), should get help. Anyone that is mentally and physically able to work should be made to get jobs, then top them up.
I hear some going "what jobs" plenty to do to get country back in good nick, instead of giving dole money, get work schemes going.

Well it used to be called National INSURANCE. Premiums required.

Yep

searcher wrote:Seem to remember a similar scheme a while back , the difference was huge camps were built and the idea was that anyone who didn,t conform could be held in the camps and to pay for their lodgings their belongings ,gold fillings etc were taken and to save further expense they could be tossed into gas chambers and then sent up the chimney , no wonder these tories are an endangered species in Scotland[ rant over]

They will soon be endangered in England too because they dont LISTEN. I am a recent convert to UKIP. Since the demise of Maggie there has been no fecker to vote for anyway. (Not end of rant)

We have a vote but it means nowt anymore, no mandate ever stuck to. People of UK, those that have been here for 18 years as nationals should be the ones who decide on the country;s well being. Kids can't vote until 18 and rightfully so, should be same for all, 18 years here before you get a vote. That ain't racist either before anyone starts, people live here 5 mins and get to vote, load of bollocks.

Bring back the Workhouse I say. Wouldnt have to import all our clothes from India then........phone help/sales lines too.

They were talking about bringing in the same scheme here 12 month ago. You had bleaters going on about how they were entitled to "live" i.e. booze & fags & holidays etc, just the same as anyone else. Now I'm sorry if I'm going to offend anyone here but feck them. I'm out trying to make a living and don't/can't afford to go out or smoke. If we go anywhere, its normally some place where the kids can get a bit of an insight into other cultures or history or whatever, AND these trips are planned well in advance otherwise we simply couldn't afford them. I can't remember the last time we were in a restaurant or pub. Sheer pride and stubbornness is what keeps me from drawing the dole so feck them, if I can do it, why can't they get off their lazy arses and do something for the community i.e. voluntary work. I'm all for making the dole conditional on at least 20 hours voluntary work per week. I'm out working all feckin hours, paying taxes and these feckers are sitting on their holes whinging about how they can only afford to go to the pub twice a week I can say a lot more but I'm too annoyed at the moment.

Nice one Dermo.

To listen to some on here you would think the people on the dole are the propblem
Camps,20 hours voluntary work pw,etc,etc
Do the certain people on here who want benefits dropped or tightened,not get it through theirs skulls that the unemployed benefit claimants are not too blame for this sorry mess....the bankers and greedy politicians are...No matter what the Daily Mail propagates from it's right wing sheets.
The Daily Mail has an agenda and it seems to be working on a lot of people going by comments on here.

I await the replies about dole "scroungers"living it up in Tenerife 6 times a year,smoking cohiba cigars and then chauffered driven to their palace in some ghetto area of Manchester.

Just another wee article that blows Osbourne and the Daily Mail's view,about people claiming benefits as a "lifestyle choice."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/10/britains-unclaimed-benefit-billions

CC, give me one good reason why anyone should get money for nothing??

You may note, that I wasn't attacking ALL social welfare recipients, just those who moan how they are entitled to "have a life".

Nor me, if you read I stated if people can't work or have earned the right to claim money. Bankers and MP's are a different issue as are equity release managers, which are the real bar stewards that have ruined our economy.
They are the ones that give the bankers something to laugh over and are friends with MP'S know what I mean.
Dole scroungers and people claiming that shouldn't is a burden to us that work or have worked. There is a family near hear not British, new editions arrive every year, all have fast to of the range motors, have good businesses yet they have council houses. They also have other property they rent out and brag how little tax they pay. There is an English family 4 bed house, private rent, both in thirties, neither ever worked, caravan, 2 cars and both smoke. Use a bit of weed and go to the pub at least 3 nights a week, who pays. My son and his missus and our granddaughter, worked hard, very hard and neither have been out of work since leaving school, even whilst at college. They had to pay £850 a month rent, could not get a mortgage even though they had a good income and got a little child benefit. They both smoke and enjoy a drink, but roll ups very thin, and a bottle of wine from the boss at the restaurant, or a staff priced beer in the pub she worked in. They now live in Tenerife as this country is fecked, like it or not by Greedy bankers, financiers, MP's, illegal or almost illegal immigrants and dole scroungers, the end is near.

CaribeCelt wrote:To listen to some on here you would think the people on the dole are the propblem
Camps,20 hours voluntary work pw,etc,etc
Do the certain people on here who want benefits dropped or tightened,not get it through theirs skulls that the unemployed benefit claimants are not too blame for this sorry mess....the bankers and greedy politicians are...No matter what the Daily Mail propagates from it's right wing sheets.
The Daily Mail has an agenda and it seems to be working on a lot of people going by comments on here.

I await the replies about dole "scroungers"living it up in Tenerife 6 times a year,smoking cohiba cigars and then chauffered driven to their palace in some ghetto area of Manchester.

I can't comment on dole scroungers in Tenerife because since living here I have not been involved with any but my OH was a Benefits Fraud Exec for many years in the UK. The tales he can tell would make your hair curl (even TD's and he is getting a bit thin on top LOL).

The scrounger who when caught for €50K said it only just managed to cover the cost of his indoor swimming pool.
The families that produce a new addition as soon as the youngest reaches 16 so they can continue claiming.
The loan sharks who take peoples benefits book (before they started paying directly into banks) then alter the amounts from say €10 to €100
The car mechanic who came to my house to collect my MX for service at his garage who returned and made an appointment with OH to service his car and then went to the Job Centre to be met by OH (he was one very unlucky guy).
The ethnic family who claimed for a family member by signing the paperwork with a finger print (only trouble the finger was kept in a jar as the person it belonged to had been dead several years).
The illegal minicab drivers, who when stopped at the airport had only just started the job that day. They had cars without MOT or insurance, used the wrong diesel, bald tyres. When they were signed off benefits on the spot, and their cars were confiscated as unroadworthy they complained.
You used to be able to do surveillance to see who was living with whom while claiming to be single but that had to stop because it is against their human rights.

So while there are some deserving cases, often a blind eye is turned to the young, genuinely single mum who is doing a little bit of cleaning to make ends meet. The problems lie with the generations of families that know no other way of life. They are born to expect others to look after them, it is 'their right' the second part of the problem is that the benefits are way too high. Why should someone get more money for doing nothing than someone who works.

(all the euro signs are because I don´t have a GBP on my keyboard)

Well I dont read the Daily Mail, or any other paper come to that, unless I see a free one in the pub or something. However, I do observe whats going on around me and listen to what others are saying. My partner who is 55 has been told that she has to carry on working for at least another 5 years beyond 60 before she can retire (unless of course she is made redundant) so our little dreams of spending our last few winters in life in the warmth of Tenerife in the little apartment we bought with SAVINGS seem to be disappearing into the sunset along with the aspirations of my two recent school-leavers. Now I dont know exactly which greedy bunch of people to blame for our present predicament in the UK but I sure as hell know we cannot afford to keep 'dole scroungers' and 'incapacity claimants' (druggies, alcoholics, obese etc) in the way that they have become accustomed. So, CC, something needs to change and the quicker the better. Oh, and of course I dont think I have met too many in Tenerife but I see plenty in the pub.