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Posts : 22953 Posts : 591063rdforum wrote:There was a story about my grandfather smuggling guns in a cartload of hay in 1921. He had 3 rifles hidden at the bottom. The Black and Tans stopped him and searched the hay. They found a crate of whiskey which was hidden in the middle. The soldiers took the whiskey for themselves, gave my grandfather a few digs and sent him on his way, with the guns still under the hay.
The following week, another fighter was stopped and they found some ammunition on him. He was shot on the spot and his body thrown into the ditch. My grandad was so lucky.
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Posts : 59106Mcqueen wrote:Shampoos arnt they
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Posts : 30546 Posts : 591063rdforum wrote:They know what I've told them Cam but they haven't learned about it in school yet. Did you see the film "Michael Collins" with Liam Neeson starring? Neil Jordan, as director, actually stuck pretty close to the truth. Up until my generation started voting, politics here were still divided by the Collins/De Valera divide, for some 70 years after the civil war.
Long story short, DeValera ( self proclaimed prime minister of a free Ireland) sent Collins to negotiate a treaty with Llyod George ( British PM). DeValera knew Collins wouldn't get a free united Ireland and it so happened that Collins signed the treaty that has efectively divided Ireland ever since. He said it was the best he could do without restarting the War of Independence all over again. Devalera called him a traitor ( knowing full well what this would lead to) and withdrew his party from parliament. Civil War followed and Collins was ambushed and killed in a place called Beal na Blath and killed. Collins on signing the treaty in London said "I have just signed my own death warrant". How prophetic.
Incidently, DeValera is reputed to have said some years later
"History will show the greatness to Michael Collins and I fear it will be at my expense"
P.S. Sorry about rattling on again!
Posts : 22953Mcqueen wrote:Nice story D, So you listened at school ?, I was day dreaming looking out of the window,
Posts : 30546 , Couldnt wait to get away, (Alive) Nobody noticed, Bad memories, Posts : 22953
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Posts : 3211nike , are they chinks?The Lone Ranger wrote:Nike have shot themselves in the foot by releasing a new trainer called "Black and Tans" just in time for St. Patrick's Day. They thought the phrase referred to the drink of guinness and beer and didn't realise there were other reasons for the name..nice trainers though...
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Posts : 12655cunningham wrote: nike , are they chinks?
Posts : 22953 Posts : 305463rdforum wrote:Just looking at the comments underneath the story in the link. There seems to be a lot of people out there who want to "spin" this in a negative way. Little England is alive and kicking???
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Posts : 10453rdforum wrote:They know what I've told them Cam but they haven't learned about it in school yet. Did you see the film "Michael Collins" with Liam Neeson starring? Neil Jordan, as director, actually stuck pretty close to the truth. Up until my generation started voting, politics here were still divided by the Collins/De Valera divide, for some 70 years after the civil war.
Long story short, DeValera ( self proclaimed prime minister of a free Ireland) sent Collins to negotiate a treaty with Llyod George ( British PM). DeValera knew Collins wouldn't get a free united Ireland and it so happened that Collins signed the treaty that has efectively divided Ireland ever since. He said it was the best he could do without restarting the War of Independence all over again. Devalera called him a traitor ( knowing full well what this would lead to) and withdrew his party from parliament. Civil War followed and Collins was ambushed and killed in a place called Beal na Blath. Collins on signing the treaty in London said "I have just signed my own death warrant". How prophetic.
Incidently, DeValera is reputed to have said some years later
"History will show the greatness of Michael Collins and I fear it will be at my expense"
P.S. Sorry about rattling on again!
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Posts : 30546 Posts : 59106Gypsy wrote:Well I don´t think any country that wants to stand alone should be stopped as long as they don´t expect anyone to help them out if they suddenly find they can´t cope.
Give Spain Gibraltar, Argentina the Falklands, Eire can have N Ireland, Scotland and Wales can all be self ruling. Sorted
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