Edinburgh trams to run at loss for 15 years

This project has been a fiasco from start to finish! BBC News
£776 million pound project, how many extra buses could that have funded?

Subway, its the right option, Think 20 years ahead

subway?, what has a sandwich shop got to do with it.

When are they going to be operational?

3rdforum wrote:When are they going to be operational?

July next year Dermo...

Subway in most towns in England, even one in PDLA, Scotland behind then.

I did mean a tube system, I know its expensive to build but they keep fannying about with trolley buses and all that stuff but there just isnt the room, There is some great tunneling machines now so build the blady tunnels, The money can be found if they really want to, I'm sure Branston or first bus would get involved, A virgin tunnel , Leeds keep going on about a new bus system from Headingley into town, demolishing old buildings and makeing the roads wider, but its like a complete load of twaddle, there is no room, end of, they have spent millions on surveys, i could have told them for a grand, it wont fit, it wont fit, it wont fit, pillocks

Dublin was in shit for five years while they built the light rail system. Think the cost was 550 million. Now they are spending 280 million joining up the two main lines that should have been done originally. Sad thing was that the company that did the subway in Madrid would have done the system in Dublin for 780 million total and mostly underground. The only condition they had was that they wanted to tunnel 24 hrs a day and the unions here refused unless their members got triple time 

They  did a new road system near Worthing, guy didn't even get out of his chair to look at the area, used google maps. Complete cock up five accidents first day, eventually put it back to way it was. 3.6mil, then geezer got promoted by all accounts.

Going back some years, the industry I was involved in caused me to have contact with the management of Lothian Busses (the main bus company in Edinburgh), there were a couple of high up members of staff there who could best be described as "tram spotters", all they banged on about was trams in Edinburgh, there was also another director, a Peter Sargent, Peter caled a spade a spade, he was dead against the tram system and predicted the present fiasco, his strong views on the issue lead him to resign from his position. After his resignation he became an outspoken critic of the scheme being interviewed on tv/radio etc, the last time I had a drink with him the construction work on the system was in its early stages and even at that time he was still actively lobbying for the project to be scrapped, how right he was, that said he was a bus freak and would have had all of us out of our cars and on busses if he had his way, it would have been good to have met up with him on my recent trip up north and wound him up a bit, you just had to mention the word "tram" in the pub and he was like a mad terrier straining on the leash...

Trams are victorian at best, Bus's are for poor people who cant drive or afford a car, If you have money you dont want to sit with the public, i dont do bus's, i dont like planes either but at least i can sit Janet inbetween me and some peasant, if i had enough money i would take a private jet,
So i think the best thing would be an underground system for the peasants, and all the roads turned over to the rich to use, 3 lanes, bronze, silver, and gold, bronze can use any lane but have to move over for silver and gold, also silver has to move over for gold and so on, if there is a crash its the faullt of bronze if there is no bronze then its silvers fault, gold gets away with everything, you can go as fast as you like, park where you like, a bronze always gives up for silver and gold, and silver for gold, Gold is top banana, you are nobody unless you are gold, people will spend there life savings to be a gold, all the money go's to make driving a 5 star experiance, All the cars should be colour coded so people know who is who, so make me transport minister and everything will be just fine, especialy if you drive gold,

Mcqueen wrote:Trams are victorian at best, Bus's are for poor people who cant drive or afford a car, If you have money you dont want to sit with the public, i dont do bus's, i dont like planes either but at least i can sit Janet in between me and some peasant, if i had enough money i would take a private jet,
So i think the best thing would be an underground system for the peasants, and all the roads turned over to the rich to use, 3 lanes, bronze, silver, and gold, bronze can use any lane but have to move over for silver and gold, also silver has to move over for gold and so on, if there is a crash its the fault of bronze if there is no bronze then its silvers fault, gold gets away with everything, you can go as fast as you like, park where you like, a bronze always gives up for silver and gold, and silver for gold, Gold is top banana, you are nobody unless you are gold, people will spend there life savings to be a gold, all the money go's to make driving a 5 star experience, All the cars should be colour coded so people know who is who, so make me transport minister and everything will be just fine, especially if you drive gold,

I love what you say

Doomed, doomed I say...


http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/1_edin_t/1_edinburgh_transport_trams_1956_last_tram_conductor_and_drivers.htm

Platinum me

the trams in santa cruz run from the new bus station in la laguna (will be north airport in the future)
down to the main large bus station,they have taken lots of buses off the streets and even have free wifi on them,along with all the other PUBLIC transport on tenerife is a great service for locals and tourists.you cant run a country where eveything is owned by private companies,even the USA dont do that ...as for poor people on the buses well i must admit it is a real strain to be on a bus full of women going down to the town as their husbands have taken the car to work ...along with those dam students ...even worse is that bus i have to take from SC to the beach ,just full of more 
people on their way to the beach most with a t-shirt over the bikinis ....its hell on a public bus ..what a way to spend 50c    

Nowt wrong with those Titsa buses. Minimum fare is €1.15 with a bono though. But from Golf del Sur to Los Cristianos just a bargain €1.80, not bad for about 10 miles. And only takes 20 minutes. Now if they were all on time like the last bus always is they would get a gold star from me. Still, sitting in the nice warm sunshine and chatting to all the other English speakers on the Golf whilst waiting for the bus is never a chore.

Future ex-pat methinks...

The thirty-five minute tram route in two minutes...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-27610252


And, how to waste £1.2 billion..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-27633736

  

i dont understand why people have been brain washed into thinking everything makes a profit 
its called a public service ..you live in a COUNTRY not a PLC ...

i like to know what profit TRIDENT makes ...???

Yip, but it was a totally unneeded vanity project that will benefit very few...

Adam Mint wrote:Yip, but it was a totally unneeded vanity project that will benefit very few...

lot easier to let private companies take money off poor people ... 

glad i live in spain and not a ultra-capitalist society ... even the USA has public transport ..

Just like the buses the trams will become part of a world leading low emission transport system that will serve the Capital city of an independent country very well , Minty was right though very few people will benefit from them ,only the people who live there and the tourists who visit in their millions

2/3 train, 1/3 tram...

Peasants without cars should walk, Why should we pay for the spongers, Get a job and get a car,

Yeah...what Reg said...