We have a new shopping centre and the highways did a traffic survey, Saturday is grid locked,
Professional people get paid what ever, shambles innit
Professional people get paid what ever, shambles innit
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New Forth replacement crossing.
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Well, they reckon this one will last over 100 years. The old one couldn't take all that traffic now, it wasn't designed or even anticipated that there would be such an increase in cars, lorries at 40 tons etc.
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But that is exactly the problem, you plan for the future, would seem they haven't even planned for today...
The new bridge has a hard shoulder, is it possible that to become a third lane, even then the merging of all the approach roads would still need sorting...
How bad a state is the old bridge, are the problems fixable,,, if so, traffic heading north four lanes on new bridge, south four lanes on old bridge,,, and sort out approach roads so they work...
Simples innit...
The new bridge has a hard shoulder, is it possible that to become a third lane, even then the merging of all the approach roads would still need sorting...
How bad a state is the old bridge, are the problems fixable,,, if so, traffic heading north four lanes on new bridge, south four lanes on old bridge,,, and sort out approach roads so they work...
Simples innit...
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It's got a hard shoulder because in the next few months the road is going to be classed as a motorway, M90. Old bridge will stay as A90.
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Yeh, but don't know if it's happened anywhere in Scotland yet but in England to ease congestion on certain sections of motorways they are using what was the hard shoulder as a lane, they call them "Smart Mororways", there are loads of overhead gantries with signs over each lane that say if lane is open open/closed, what speed limit is in any particular lane, etc, cameras are also mounted on these gantries so operators can see what's going on and control traffic if there's an accident or breakdown, so that hard shoulder on bridge could become one of them.
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It's broke already...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-42136651
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-42136651
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Nah, it's to let them turn it into Motorway status. It's needed to allow the 70mph speeds.
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Or to put it an other way, somebody screwed it up...
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How do you get over the Forth if you're a tractor or learner driver when it gets made into a motorway?
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on the old bridge?? or it that now closed to private vehicles?
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Old bridge if I recall correct, buses, taxis, emergency vehicles, motorbikes, bicycles and pedestrians,,, oh and for the next few days all the traffic the new one can't handle...
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Adam Mint wrote:It's broke already...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-42136651
Campbell Brodie wrote:Nah, it's to let them turn it into Motorway status. It's needed to allow the 70mph speeds.
Adam Mint wrote:Or to put it an other way, somebody screwed it up...
Somebody screwed it up...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-42165899
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Broke again innit... 
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They should build another bridge!
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And get England to pay for it 
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Scotland paid for the last one...
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I'd like to see the receipt
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So I take it the 70 mph speed limit ain't sorted it, oh, trucks that can use both lanes ain't allowed to do seventy,,, money down the tube, no forward thinking...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-43824150
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-43824150
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-43824142
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They could have used it for trams 
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Read that story, found it a bit odd, filling it with polystyrene blocks so if they need to reopen the tunnel they can be removed,,, yet article says railway cuttings have been filled in either side of tunnel, plus it's a track to nowhere...
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searcher wrote:They could have used it for trams
Yeah, a way of wasting more money...
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Mushroom farm ???Adam Mint wrote:Read that story, found it a bit odd, filling it with polystyrene blocks so if they need to reopen the tunnel they can be removed,,, yet article says railway cuttings have been filled in either side of tunnel, plus it's a track to nowhere...
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Posted this on this thread as its gonna be a lot of money spent which will not sort the problem...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-43866570
Used this junction 19 hundreds if not thousands of times, yip, bottleneck which brings traffic to a standstill, way to sort junction, flyovers, this 50 million bridge ain't gonna sort it, traffic is still gonna have to come to a stop at traffic lights,,, Fail...
And the problem ain't this junction, it's the lack of one between the M6 and M56 a few miles up the road, that's where it needs sorting...
Just saying, but watch this space...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-43866570
Used this junction 19 hundreds if not thousands of times, yip, bottleneck which brings traffic to a standstill, way to sort junction, flyovers, this 50 million bridge ain't gonna sort it, traffic is still gonna have to come to a stop at traffic lights,,, Fail...
And the problem ain't this junction, it's the lack of one between the M6 and M56 a few miles up the road, that's where it needs sorting...
Just saying, but watch this space...